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Tom Barber with Coaching on Discipline Mindsest and Goalsetting

• Jimmy Napolitano

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In this Episode Tom Barber, Mind and Fitness coach ob Lets Go Coaching Shares his keys to success.

Tom's Journey with Primal - Joined in May of last year.Coaching Approach - Discipline, mindset, and goal-setting.Tom's Coaching Group - Currently working with five individuals.Age Group Dynamic - Originally focused on younger individuals, expanded to include older age groups.Core Values - Emphasizing mindset changes for lasting results.Common Mistake - Starting too big too quickly, importance of gradual changes.Mindset and Goal Setting - Coaching for both physical and mental transformation.Gratitude - Tony Robbins' influence on the concept, how it counters sadness.Positive Focus - Shifting attention to positives, avoiding scarcity language.Progress Evaluation - Importance of a bigger picture outlook, celebrating achievements.Intangibles - Acknowledging non-scale victories, focusing on how you feel and look.

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Jimmy:

Tom. Hello. What's going on, man?

Tom:

Haha. Yeah, I'm good, mate. How are you? Dude, all right. Let's go.

Jimmy:

Awesome. Oh, man. So, how long, how long have you been

Tom:

with Primal? Um, I started with Primal in May of last year. How do you like it so far? Yeah, it's great. I love it. Yeah, it's um, I mean the, the physical results just speak for themselves, you know.

Jimmy:

Dog, I'm saying, I'm saying. What's uh, what's the weather like over there? Ha

Tom:

ha! Uh, cold and rainy. You

Jimmy:

see how I like to relate with people from the UK? It's the same thing. Yeah,

Tom:

yeah. It's normally the same answer with the weather as well, isn't it?

Jimmy:

You know, to be honest, it's, it's a little bit warmer over here, but it's still rainy. It's like that season, but it's cool man. Let's um, let's get into it I saw that you started like you got you got a coaching you got a coaching thing going Let's go coaching. What's that about?

Tom:

so What it is is basically coaching But not only training sort of physical body also the mind so you things like goal setting Finding out your whys, working on your emotional responses, through fears.

Jimmy:

So you get into it, like how many people you got with you so far?

Tom:

Um, so this first group, we're only on the first group at the minute, and there is five in the

Jimmy:

group. Oh, let's go. It's so funny. Well, I saw your name. I saw your name pop up. And then you kind of like what you do. And the reason that it attracted me really quickly, because, like, when, especially over here, when we watch like American football or golf or something, when anybody does anything Just like awesome or extraordinary. Like they all look at the crowd, I look at the bench and they do the same thing. They're like, well, let's go. Right. I'm like, Oh man. And that's kind of like a, a family. It's like a family catchphrase for me and my boys, my wife, like that they score a goal in soccer or, okay. It's football, but, um, if they score a goal, you know, they look at me and they're like, let's go. So it's kind of funny, like, Oh man, this is, this is pretty cool. What, um, what compels you to, uh, to get that started?

Tom:

Um, so going into coaching has been something that I've wanted to do for quite a while. Um, and then the, the idea was, you know, I'm not, I'm not ready, I'm not able to do this. I don't have a big enough sort of story or why would anybody want to listen to me? And then as I sort of progressed through last year, I was like, why not? You know, if I sort of looked, took a look back at my life and thought, well, if I knew what I knew now at sort of 18, 19 year old, I wouldn't have had to go through half of the things that I went through. So the angle originally was to be sort of, um, coaching young. Lads, young guys, yeah. So

Jimmy:

what do you think your, like, age group dynamic is, right in the lower 20s?

Tom:

Um, then I sort of, I thought about it more, and I was like, well, I know people that are older than me that don't have the skills that I have to be able to get through life, to be able to put themselves, you know, even simple things like goal setting, you know, don't set goals. So then it was like, well, this is available for anyone. You know, um, I mean, three, yeah, three of the five that we have on the course at the minute, we're all like, uh, over 40. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

Jimmy:

So We're all chasing, all of, all of the, cause I'm 40 as well. We're all chasing that, you know, we're trying to chase time and it's fleeting. So we're trying to do everything that we can to grasp it and be like, man, I want to be like a, well I was pretty athletic in my twenties, but we're trying to, just trying to be that dude. Yeah. So you kind of, you kinda help guys get there.

Tom:

What, what were you saying there, Jim? I said

Jimmy:

you kind of help guys get there, like through goal setting.

Tom:

Yeah, absolutely. Um, it feels a bit like. People sort of have an awakening, they get to sort of 40 and they, they sort of start to look back at their life and think I've done this, I've not done that, you know, and they get into that sort of age where the body's starting to slow down, you know, they're starting to put weight on, there's, there's things in the back of their mind like, you know, diseases, cancer and diabetes and all this sort of scary stuff. So they, See, people seem to take a lot more action when that's at the door, you know, which is, um, Yeah, it's a it's a mad thing.

Jimmy:

So what do you think? What are your core values that attract people over to you? The the fact

Tom:

that we are going down the mindset route I think that's so important, you know, and because I can go to a gym and I can Blast you for an hour, for an hour, and you'll keep it up for a few months. But then as soon as you're not, we get a few months down the line, and you're not working with me anymore, you're just gonna revert back. You're just gonna go back to sitting on the settee, and just eating crap, and just, because we haven't made any changes up here, and this is, this is the point, and a lot of VTs miss, is the fact that That you're not making those mental changes, you're just taking somebody into a gym and you are blasting them and then that's it. So the difference, the people, the thing that draws people in is that because it's like, it's the lasting goals. So one of the big things that I want to work on or that we do work on is that changing somebody's mentality towards training, towards a nutrition. You know, we've got people already are saying, Oh, well, I missed this session, but what I'm going to do, I'll use that as a rest day and I'll put that in there, you know, so they're already sort of thinking they're making these small changes that you need to make, you know, the small changes, they lead to the big wins. Yeah, I love

Jimmy:

that. Um, how, how do you think that like when, when you first meet these five guys, I'm sure their intentions, like they came to you out of desperation, right? But what do you think is the main thing they get wrong that you help them fix?

Tom:

Starting too big too quickly. Yeah, absolutely. That's, that's one of the main ones, you know, I'm 5am and I'm going to run 10 mile. Yeah, keep that up.

Jimmy:

Yeah.

Tom:

Yeah, it never fucked.

Jimmy:

You know, I could, I could so relate with that because when I first got into OCR, was it three, four years ago? I was like, fuck it. I'm just gonna send it. So I signed up for the hardest race in North America and I didn't do like a 5k or I didn't even do a beast. I signed up for the, uh, the 50k. So I was like, like killing 1050k, DNF the shit out of it. I was like, all right, I need help. I need help up here. I probably needed you back then. I need help up here, but I need help. Uh, I need help with a lot, but yeah, I could totally relate with that.

Tom:

Yeah. Setting the, um, setting the goals and the lasting goals as well. That's, um, where a lot of people do go wrong. I know that a lot, a lot of PTs, you know, they do. You do set a goal. The, um, a lot of people use smart goals. Yeah. Um, a coach that I have in, um, in business says that smart goals are shit goals. And I agree with him because there's, um, there's a part in it that says realistic, you know, they are. And it's like. Anything for your listening. Yeah. Depending on your level. Smart goals have their place and I'm probably

Jimmy:

going to get blown up for this, but this is probably for like people that aren't really good at setting goals. Like if you're just at a novice level, but I mean, they are, they are helpful. Once you get into like very, very intentional goal setting. I mean, it's, it's not really, you're not setting a goal and that's, you're just achieving the goal. You're setting the habits. It's a lot like what you're saying, you're setting the habits to achieve those goals. So like for you, I'm sure like some of these guys, they want to, they want to lose weight. They want to look better. They want to look cool naked, whatever. They want to do like 50 pull ups, right? It's not that the goal is cool, right? But you're working on the habits that get there. So you're working on nutrition and, and functional movement and, and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

Tom:

Yeah. That's.

Jimmy:

What's um, what's kind of like a misconception people have on like the nutrition, what they're eating. Do you help them with that?

Tom:

Yeah biggest biggest There's quite a few. Um, portion sizes. Yeah, I mean I can remember sort of before Primal before we started to really work on my own nutrition like I'd say My point was, it's homemade, so it'll be fine. There's no additives in it. Like, it was a huge plate of pasta. So, it's just like a mountain of food. And I was like, well, I'm, I'm bulking aren't I? So, but yeah, portion sizes. Um, that's, that's a really big one. Um, people don't sort of seem to realize the, the calories. In an actual portion and the size of a portion. Um, another big one It's a hot topic a very hot topic in the industry at the minute is um, your carbs, you know Everyone seems to be going over So the low carb, high fat, um, lifestyle. Yeah.

Jimmy:

What do you, do you guys get any kickback on that when you, when you kind of recommend something contrary to that? Yeah.

Tom:

So, so that's what I recommend to the, um, to the clients is the higher fat diet. Just it's just purely because I know it works. I know it works because I've done it, you know, yeah So then when you start to explain to people well, why are we doing this? Well, the carb is just an inferior fuel source and then you start to talk about things like Processed foods. So if you look into the additives in bread Like if you look at the ingredients on a packet of bread and then people start doing it and they're like, oh my god I can't believe I've been eating this for years. This is this is the problem.

Jimmy:

Yeah Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it's weird because when you first get introduced to like a different way of eating You're thinking man. I can't have I can't have pizza. I can't have like PB and J I can't have like hoagies or whatever, uh, potato chips, you know, french fries, you can't have all that stuff. And I think for a lot of people, the gains that they get by taking away some of the shit food, it's almost addicting. You're like, oh, holy shit. Like this is This is probably worth it because I'll tell you, I used to, I mean, I used to eat like a lot of ice cream. The things that I just mentioned, I used to eat, you know, and add alcohol to it. Um, like a lot of, a lot of alcohol, right. To, you know, it wasn't serving at all, but you know, once, once you get somebody that's good and intentional with goal setting, Um, it's almost, it's almost those things. that you are achieving, like the ideal body and being lean and muscular and being, you know, older and being able to see your abs for the first time in your life. Like, holy shit, this stuff is not important. And this is more, it's way more. It's like the best feeling in the world to like, wake up and be like, Ah, yeah, like, But, um, yeah, it's, it's really, uh, it's, you just don't know how, how much nutrition plays into that.

Tom:

Yeah. Um, like. Until I started with Primal, nutrition was never sort of a thing, like I said earlier, like, I was like, oh, well, it's homemade, so you'd be fine, you know, I didn't really sort of look into, um, calorie deficits or macros and things like that, you know, it was sort of, when you're hungry. Whatever you like, but yeah, that, that's sort of the, the feeling that you're talking about. Like when you see yourself, like, I'm not going to lie, I struggled to not look in a mirror now.

Jimmy:

Those mirrors look good, don't they? I get it. I get it. It's tough. And you know what though? We deserve it. Because it's not like, it's not like we're showing off and we're being boastful or bragging about it. But we are celebrating the hard work and discipline that we put. And we're showing guys that are my age and your age, look what's possible. This is my trophy case. I mean, I don't really have to say anything.

Tom:

That's it. You know, and that's where the, um, where a lot of the clients come from, um, because they sort of, they go, they hear about me, or what have you, we have a chat, and what have you, and then they look online, they see the sort of before and after photos of myself, and they, um, they see that result. And they're like, yeah, I want some of that. Yeah,

Jimmy:

yeah, but there's like, do you get a lot of people that, um, that are kind of, that are skeptical? Like, what do you tell those guys?

Tom:

Um, to be honest, I haven't had many haters yet. So Oh,

Jimmy:

we need to get you bigger. I'm,

Tom:

um, yeah, I haven't had any yet. And to be honest, even when I do, I'm just They're not gonna bother me. I'll probably laugh and like, send them a nice message like, thanks. Thank you so much.

Jimmy:

Either that or just take off your shirt. Scoreboard, bitch. Yeah. Love it. So, all right, so mindset is, is a big part of Of what you train and this should probably look from it. Well, you can't see it right now, but this is uh, It's off of your instagram. It said five ways to all right Yeah, five ways to improve your mindset look for the positives goal setting Know your why? Self talk and how you are you attract how do you how do you incorporate those things? Like when when you're coaching somebody,

Tom:

um, so your goal your goal setting That's the first thing You know, cause we need to, we need to work out what you want, you know, I mean, a lot of, a lot of people, I mean, I asked my friends and things all the time. I'm like, what do you want out of life? And they go, uh, um, you know, there's so many people just walking about and they don't know what they want out of life. So when you're training someone, you need, you need to, they need to know what they want because then you can, you know, you can work on it and you've got something to work towards. You know, how can you hit a target if you don't know what the target looks like? So that's That's, that's number

Jimmy:

one. It sounds like you're, um, it sounds like you're kind of like the guy that kicks people in the ass or jumpstarts them. Like they're just sitting in the ocean, kind of like on a boat with no motor. And you're just sitting there and they're like, well, I want to go over there, but they're not doing anything about it. So you get the motor started and get their direction started. So that way now they have direction. And once you guys frame the target, then you got something to aim for and you kind of help them along the way.

Tom:

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's a really good analogy. I like it Yeah, um then the second the second one's your why um, the why is so powerful because When you understand why you're doing it and it's it's to a core It's to your core and to your values The why will get you up at 5 am to go to the gym if there's a storm you're going for a long run your why? Because your why goes so deep and it's normally to do with, um, like family or fear of like illness, you know, not being a failure and things like these really, really deep, powerful things. So that, that's what spares you on and what will push you every time. But working that out is massive, you know, and I'm sorry,

Jimmy:

no, no, like who do you, who do you work most with? Is it, um, like, do you work with like Liam or match in, uh, with,

Tom:

with Mitch, with Liam.

Jimmy:

Has he sent you that thing, uh, seven, seven layers deep? Yes.

Tom:

Yeah. It's, uh, I

Jimmy:

do. I love it. It's so simple, right? It's so simple and we could use it across many different areas, but nutrition is a really good one because you take something that is materialistic and now it gets down to tying an emotion to it. And once you have an emotion, like that's the shit that exactly what you're talking about. That's the shit that gets you up at 5am because essentially, why is that important? Why is that important? Why? Like it's annoying if you verbally do something, uh, if you, if you verbally coach somebody like that. But like. Because I don't want to die like that's the last one. That's the last layer pretty much like my mind goes there I mean, I'm a little bit morbid, but um, it's I when I talk to people I'm like, hey, I'm gonna ask you seven questions I'll just frame as like they're gonna be the same question But I want you to think about it and the more I ask this the harder it's going to get to answer But like hey, what's your goal? Well, I want to get to, you know, 84 kilograms, whatever. Um, why is that important? Well, because you know, I want to look good. Why is that important? Because I'll be healthy. Why is that important? Because I'll get to play with my kids more. Why is that important? So I could be like, it's get, it gets emotional, um, the farther. And that's, I think that's a very powerful, it was one of my favorite exercises because it's so

Tom:

simple. It is so, so simple. Well, I think you've, um, you've really got to be honest. Yeah, well, like there's a lot of people squirm out of it when you when you actually sit sit them down and like We're gonna do this like

Jimmy:

Don't like it or they start justifying or if you're like me I'll use humor to deflect the question and I've had people like one of my coaches I've had them like it's like you're deflecting with humor. Oh shit You got me.

Tom:

Yeah, yeah, it's um, when you start seeing him squirming, like, one guy just jumps up, he's like, I need the toilet.

Jimmy:

That's what my 8 year old does when it's time to clean the house.

Tom:

That's what I do when it's time

Jimmy:

to clean The areas of avoidance, he learns from the best. So also, um, yeah, so keep on going Monty. You got, so we have, we have like the why and we have the goals. I mean, what else?

Tom:

Uh, why isn't the goals as in from that post or, um, uh, what else was on it again? Sorry.

Jimmy:

If you still get it up. Let's see. Um, I lost it now, but either way, um, like all those things were. We're important when you're talking about when you're talking about mindset. How about this? What one of the things on on your post where it said gratitude kills sadness. Yeah How do you how'd you come up with that? um I

Tom:

think I actually heard it from uh, Tony robbins, okay. Yeah, I think it was a tony robbins. But yeah, it just it does like You can't sit there and think, you know, I'm so grateful I'm alive, you know, and then be like, Oh yeah, but I'm sad that I didn't get a promotion. You know, it just, the opposite ends of the spectrum. So if you, if you start to become grateful and realize what you're grateful for and working out, you know, what you are grateful for, you can't then be sad. It's like laughing and crying. You can't do it. You can't do it at the same time. Okay, you can, you can laugh so much that tears come out of your eyes. Yes, but you, you can't be emotional and crying and then be laughing. It's the complete opposite of the spectrum, you know? Yeah, absolutely.

Jimmy:

So if you, if you have one, you can't have the other. It's almost like the gratitude drowns out the sadness.

Tom:

Yeah. Yeah, it's like, um, focusing on the positives, you know, if you, if you sort of focus on the positives in your life It doesn't matter. You don't have to be huge. You don't have to have a million pounds You don't have to have a Ferrari, you know, just something positive. Your mum still alive. You have a job That's a, that's a really good one as well Um, a lot of people go, I hate my job. At least you have a job, you know, don't say you hate your job I'm grateful that I have a job. A lot of people that don't have a job. There's a lot of people that would want your job and will fight another man for your job and your position. Yeah,

Jimmy:

that's a, that's a great look at it. It's, you know, looking back in gratitude because also one of my coaches would talk about the language that's used here and this is a, this is a mindset. The language that's used there is coming from a place of scarcity and And that's like filling in a, an empty hole. You can't fill an empty hole into, into something else. So you can't say like, Hey, I hate my job and then be rewarded with a great job. You can say I have a job and I would love a different one that pays more because now that's more intrinsic and it's out of abundance or um, You know, I don't, you know, I don't, my house is too small, you know, I want a bigger one. It's the same thing. You're demeaning where you're, where you're at. Like, Hey, you like, in your words, you have a house. You would just love another one.

Tom:

That's absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Taking the, um, taking the positives from, um, your situation. I think, um, people, people sort of get a bit scared when you, um, start talking about positivity. They're like, Oh, you're going to be, you're going to start dancing around the garden with like flowers on your head. Be a hippie and all this stuff and it's no Just you might wake up in the morning look out the window and think live a pretty good life

Jimmy:

That's just uh, I mean, that's probably it's probably just like an energy this type of people because just like everything you know, we try to live in almost like a homeostasis, like a, like a balance, right? So what happens if we get, you know, too hot, we get a fever and die. If we get too cold, we get hypothermia and die. So there's gotta be like a a middle, but we could also raise the level, we could almost raise the level, you know, and that makes people uncomfortable because if I go too high, you know, I have a, like a fear of success or maybe a fear of failure. Um, I mean, a lot of this and I, I've gone through it and this is why I could speak to it is, you know, we train so hard and we go through, we go through our nutrition and we go through training and. You know, we shed weight and we're getting cut. But like, if we look back, like the past three months, like I didn't change that much. If we go all the way back, you know, three years ago when I joined primal and I was like, uh, skinny, fat fuck, um, You know, the games, the games from there to now, it's almost, it's incredible, but we lose sight of that because we're so focused on, on like, you know, there's such a small journey and it takes gratitude again, full, full circle. It takes gratitude to recognize, Hey, I started here. Look at how long I've come. Don't measure it by, you know, where you're at the past couple of months. Look at the whole

Tom:

thing. Absolutely, that, that bigger picture, outlook as well, that's, that's really important, you know, I mean, I've done it, I've done it loads of times, I'd sort of pull myself up on it, of like, you know, um, like taking progress photos, so like, oh, you don't look as good this month as you did last month, but it's like, hold on a minute, where were you go six months ago? Oh. Right.

Jimmy:

I mean, they do a good job of saying, you know, they, they have the expectations. It's like, at some point you're going to plateau. I mean, you can't keep on losing, you know, losing fat forever. You only have a certain amount of fat to where you're healthy. Um, so at some point you're going to plateau and you have to realize that. I had a, I had a bad habit of looking at my weight and having that be the measure of, of my success. So I started at two 20 and, uh, with the first phase, you know, I got really, I got right down to like two Oh two or something like that. And then, um, just getting under the 200 pound threshold. Sorry, I don't, I don't know the kilogram version. It's probably like 96 kilograms or something. Anyway, trying to get down to 200. Like, I was bouncing off of 200. And I was frustrated. And Matt Chin was like, Dude, you're gaining muscle and you're losing fat. And that's why your body's doing this. But, you know, I didn't realize it. So, one day we kind of looked at a progress picture. And I looked, I looked really, really jacked in one. And, uh. You know, it was kind of like just getting started in the other. He's like, how much did you think that you weighed right here? And I'm like, I don't know, 198. He's like, yes. How much did you weigh over here? I was like, 205. He's like 198. 2. I was like, what? Like, so I was like, my body was going through things that, that I didn't see. And I, you know, my story is all the way up here. Like, you know, I'm creating my own, like, oh, I'm not training hard enough. I'm not eating good enough, whatever. Um, but, on the biological side and the stuff that I can't see, this is what your body's doing. And that's why I stopped making the number, the, the metric, the, the performance indicator and it was just like, how do you feel? And what does your body look like? I mean, it's all, it's all the intangibles that you start looking at after that.

Tom:

Yeah, definitely. I think that's sort of um, you know, the looking at yourself in the mirror when you don't have any clothes on. I think that's when you, when you. If you're looking at yourself and you're looking pristine, but you're not seeing that, I think that's, that's when you need to, um, start addressing

Jimmy:

things. Yeah, there's a, I think there's a fine line too, and it depends on where guys are, because some guys need to celebrate where they're at, right? But there's a fine line between celebrating and then still, still having that drive to accomplish, you know, the end goal. So not being complacent on where you're at and always just keep on trying to work to the next step, but also celebrating where you are. It's almost like, it's almost like, you know, you're going in two different ways there with your mindset.

Tom:

I, um, I had a really good quote on that when you were, um, on about Keep Progressing. It was, um, was it Jill Ellis? The, uh, soccer coach? I think that's the name. Okay. But yeah, she said, at the top of the mountain, it's, it's quite small and the air is thin. And that's because you're not supposed to stay there, you're supposed to keep climbing. Ooh,

Jimmy:

that's a really good one.

Tom:

Yeah, that's good. That is, yeah.

Jimmy:

That is really good. One of the other ones that I like too, and I just saw it recently and I used it on a post, was um, The magic that you're looking for lies in the work that you're not willing to do. Like, shit. And for me, it's not so much physical, I'll do any physical work ever, it's like the emotional stuff. That, that, um, that you just, you know, the soft skills sometimes, but, um, anyway, back to, back to your program though, how, what is, what is like a, a program, like an initial phase look like?

Tom:

Um, the initial phase, well, it's, as in the program itself, yeah. So it's, um, it's a six week program. It's a six week at the minute. Um, Yeah, we start off with circuit training and then obviously your circuits you get progressively harder and And then we go into your mindset the fun bits said about the goal setting Learning you why so important and then you know your communication with yourself with others your emotions

Jimmy:

So you do a lot of mindset and there's a lot of physical if you were to have One to get the other, would you rather a resilient mindset or the physical discipline first?

Tom:

Um, it's the, it's the mindset. The mindset. Yeah. Uh, another good quote, Abraham Lincoln. If you give me six hours to cut down a tree, I'll spend the first four sharpening the axe. Absolutely. Yep. And that is, and that's, that's it. And that is, is, is it. Like originally when I was. Sort of like, this is what I want to do. I was only going to be sort of doing this sort of life coaching, mindset coaching, whatever you want to call it. And then looking back at it, I thought we can, you need to have a healthy mind to be able to get a healthy body. Most people want the healthy body. Well, there's also the mind, you know, that sort of mind, body, spirit. You know, they all need to be in equilibrium in order to, um, progress and to hit new goals. And just to live happily. So that's why we brought in Um the physical aspect of it the physical training, you know, and as well it's free and dolphin hit People love that.

Jimmy:

Absolutely. I mean, I think Anyone that could be given a tool to help sharpen their mindset It's such an easy sell even though it's just an idea and it's intangible if Somebody was to give me a blue pill and say this is going to help your mindset. I wouldn't even ask any of your questions. Um, yeah, I mean unless it was like, you know, mind altering or something, you know, but Somebody just pop me MDMA or something like that, but you know Theoretically speaking if it was just strictly mindset I mean, we, I think we would all take it and I think that's awesome how you're kind of, you're a stand for, for guys and helping them acquire that, that tool. How would somebody do, do you do mostly like in person training or is it, is it virtual?

Tom:

Um, so at the moment it is in person. So we meet once a week for a two hour session. Um, but then obviously the goal is. Take it national to then go international. So the only way I'm gonna be able to do that is I'll clone myself ten times. There you go.

Jimmy:

No,

Tom:

it's too obviously I'm gonna have to go digital And I have to go virtual. So so that's the that's the goal. That's What I'm working away at now because you can get there are I don't know if you've looked into it but there's millions of different apps and Uh, pieces of kit to use and stuff. And it's like, which one's going to be the best. Yeah.

Jimmy:

Yeah. I mean, I guess that's, that's a better problem to have than not having any of the tools available. We live in abundance. Yeah. What part of the, what part of town are you in?

Tom:

Uh, so I live in Blackpool, which is in. Northwest of England. Okay,

Jimmy:

so somebody wants to reach out to you and like sign up. How do they get a hold of you? So yeah,

Tom:

if you message the social media pages Facebook Instagram, or even just find me on social media I'm just shots a message and we'll go from there and how like

Jimmy:

so for all the listeners What what are they gonna be searching?

Tom:

Oh, so it's let's go coaching. So it's let's go exclamation mark coaching And that's

Jimmy:

on I know that's how I find you on Instagram

Tom:

Yeah, that's on, uh, the Insta as well as Facebook. Yeah.

Jimmy:

Perfect. Tom, man, it was a pleasure.

Tom:

No problem. Pleasure was mine, Jimmy.

Jimmy:

Dude, you're the man. I appreciate you coming on here.

Tom:

No problem, mate. No problem. I'm gonna have to, uh, get out and do a race over in the U. S.

Jimmy:

Dude, same thing. I'm, I'm, I'm due to come back over, over there. Probably not this year, but next year. Awesome. But, um, I'll holler at you, brother.

Tom:

Yeah, definitely, man. Definitely.

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