Max Roach on Being Intentional with Success

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Transcript

Jimmy: 0:03

Yo, welcome to Prime Olaf again. It's your boy Jimmy Knapp. I have one of my best friends coming on, and I'm super pumped. Maximilian Roach. Um, I went to college with him and he's a, outstanding leader, father, husband. But before we get started, got some new swag. Uh, my sister has a company, MI Bond Bonds. He's lighten up these hats and any gear that you have. If you like them, hit me up on Instagram, primal Jimmy Nap, we'll hook you up. But stay tuned. Here comes my man,

Roach: 0:38

Roach. My guy. That was like a mission son to get in this jump. God damn

Jimmy: 0:44

whatcha are using like first fucking apple,

Roach: 0:49

bro. I mean, they must have me hemmed up around this, John. I don't know what it is, but same golden. We, we in here now, baby. The handcuffs, man.

Jimmy: 1:01

That's fucking crazy. What's

Roach: 1:02

going on? Chilling, man. Chilling. You know? I see. We coordinated outfits today with the black, all black.

Jimmy: 1:08

It's the fucking, this outfit is for everything. It's like we go out in this outfit, we hang around the house with this outfit. Like we just keep it simple. Yeah. There's blue blockers. I like it.

Roach: 1:19

What's that? The glasses? There's blue blockers. Yeah. Yeah.

Jimmy: 1:23

I got a, I got a pair. It just doesn't fit with the vibe.

Roach: 1:27

I like it. I like it. You know, you gotta feel it out. What, what's, you know what's good with you? Are you, uh, are you home office or are you down in, uh, are you down in Florida? No. Yeah,

Jimmy: 1:38

I'm, I'm here in Richmond. Oh, okay. Cool. The fam gets back, uh, on Monday or Tuesday.

Roach: 1:47

They go down there for a hot minute.

Jimmy: 1:49

She went, she went for the whole fucking summer. Pretty much like all of July. Just like back and forth and like, I just fly back on the weekends. But

Roach: 1:59

yeah. That's cool though, man. I like your, uh, I like your setup, dude. It's not bad.

Jimmy: 2:05

I gotta hide like the bougie ass fucking shit behind me with, you know, heirlooms and stuff.

Roach: 2:13

Trinkets.

Jimmy: 2:14

Trinkets, dude. So, uh, what's been happening, man?

Roach: 2:22

Yeah, dude, no doubt bro. Uh, it's been a wild summer, a lot of traveling for more like deuces lacrosse. He was on like a crazy travel team. So we were in Ohio back in the Carolinas. They had a tournament here in Nashville. So a lot of that CO's been in softball. Deuce had his first scrimmage tonight for middle school football. So, um, you know, It's been, it's just been a whirlwind, but it's all been just like stuff for the kids. You know? We did like a little bit of stuff out in the mountains, um, you know, at the lake and stuff like that. But I mean, the one thing is that night we so far now from the, from the beach. Yeah. Being out here in Tennessee, you know, like, it's not like when you're in Raleigh, I know you can just pop out that drawing. You know, like 90 minutes here you got six, seven hours.

Jimmy: 3:08

Yeah. You gotta, I mean, you practically gotta fly somewhere.

Roach: 3:13

I mean, it's just, it makes more sense. Like when we went to the beach in March, we went, um, into Miami and then just went down to the keys, you know? So I think that's probably gonna be the, the plan moving forward. Dude. So

Jimmy: 3:26

your boy deuce dude. Yeah. Is, was he naturally like that? Because like, he is the, he's like, he's intense. He's intense. Just looking at him dude is like fucking solid.

Roach: 3:40

You can't teach that. Yeah. No, no. Um, you know, it's, it's interesting just because I never played lacrosse and I, I think it's interesting you were just kind of just, you know, I was looking at the text earlier, just kind of like some of the things that you may hit on and, you know, that was one of the things where, you know, I feel like. Because we came from, you know, that like sport background, especially playing like in college. Mm-hmm. I think that there was like a level of expectation and. Almost to my own fault, I think at times where, um, you know, he just always, like, he always pushed himself, you know, he had great coaches. I knew nothing about lacrosse, so it was awesome. I, I couldn't, I, I could only coach and, and like yell when there was just like lack of effort, you know, I could tell when, you know, but like, literally like,'cause of, you know, lacrosse is kind of, Soccer where there's like in hockey, like all sides and stuff like that. Well, like I didn't understand. So like, it was one of the, the games, like we were at a tournament and of course you're like sitting right there on the sideline, Uhhuh, and he was playing attack and you can't come across like a certain line. Well, he was playing defense and they were taking the ball down the other line. And so he's like, ding him up, tee him up, and then he gets to that line and he just stop. Past this line. So I, I just didn't, I didn't know, you know, so, um, yeah. I mean, honestly, the lefthanded thing for him has been helpful. He's, yeah. I, I think, you know, like when you look at him just like athletically, we are probably very similar. I mean, he's good in a phone booth. He's super quick shifty, but like long distance running like he. Um, I mean, I'm just super proud of him, dude. I mean, he's at this first middle school game today and like starting for them and just, you know, he's, he's just loves sports, man. I mean, we moved here and the kids have just like, you know, taken off socially, academically, and athletically. So it's been, it's been a lot of fun to watch. But Deuce is, yeah, man. I mean, I just like, you know, you're seeing it too with the boys, right? Older. It's just like they're starting to, if things start to click and like the game comes faster, it comes easier, and then it just, they, they just, yeah. It just all kind comes together for'em. You know, I'm learning

Jimmy: 6:06

how to be a parent too, because, I mean, I'm sure you see this a lot with, with him and even with Conley when she's playing softball, like after every play, they're probably looking at you or looking at Heidi, right? Like, yo, how'd I do Right. Or, you know, how'd I do? Or even after games. So, The intention is to always give them the same, the same thing. Whether, whether they totally fucked it up or like they scored a goal. It's like, yo, go get'em. Go get'em. It's like it's, it's not, yeah, don't be celebrating right now. The game's not over, you know? Pick your head up. I.

Roach: 6:38

Right. Yeah, I think that's definitely, it's interesting too because I think Conley had a chance to kind of watch, like firsthand on the sideline when Deuce was playing football, or Deuce was playing lacrosse Uhhuh. So now that she's playing softball to that point, when she's out there and you know, she might strike out or she loves the ground or something like that. You're right. And that's when like, you know, I started thinking about just like, you know, how I reacted Yeah. And how I interacted with them, like throughout the game and realized that, um, you know, it's wild man. Like I, I read a lot and, and looked like there are, you know, um, You know, like therapists and psychiatrists that like literally will, like, that's all they do is talk about just like, I mean,'cause you've seen some of the parents, you know, like on the sideline, like, man, I tell you what, dude, like, I, I, it's just, it's, it's wild, right? And like, I, I still sometimes when you see, you know, an interaction that may happen with another kid and another parent, And you just like, automatically just like go like, man, like I don't wanna be that dude. Yeah. I don't wanna be that guy. And so it, it's, it's tough because, you know, you want them to succeed, you want them to do so well. You want them to enjoy like the winning and the excitement and, you know, being out there and scoring goals and make a tackles and hitting, you know, hits and, and so it's, it's tough man. It's like a super balance.

Jimmy: 8:00

Yeah, it is tough. Um, and I'm pretty sure,'cause I met your dad, right? Um, it sounds like you had a pretty good upbringing and relationship around sports. And I did too, but I heard something cool. It was like, just be the parent that you needed when you were, when you were little. Like, what did, what did you need? And that's probably what they need too.

Roach: 8:23

I mean, it's, it's definitely interesting because, you know, with Pops and his military backgrounds, there was just a lot of that, just like same level of, you know, expectation, you know, at home, um, you know, at school as much as I could, just like terrible, but, you know, whether was at home or whether it was in practice, right? There was always like that level of expectation. Um, but it. Too much. Right. And that's ultimately where I always try to like, think about like that, like ceiling where, you know, and it's times where like I can kind of like feel it like kind, kind of like happening and, and just having to kind of just like go like, okay, like we gotta take a step back or we gotta walk around the other side of the field, or, you know, whatever it may be. Just to, you know, again, not, not, not take it, take it further than it needs to go. You know? Like these kids are living like their best lives. Dude, they don't got no bills to pay. Fun to be a part of.

Jimmy: 9:22

Yeah. Nothing, dude, it's fun. Before we get too deeper, I mean, I know you obviously, but can you give the listeners like a little background of where you're at, where you came from, where

Roach: 9:32

you're at now? Yeah, for sure. Um, man, that's a little bit of a loaded question. I know, right? I'm,

Jimmy: 9:42

you can start wherever you want, man. You can start, you know, back in New Jersey. You can start at Averitt.

Roach: 9:46

It's up to you, man. Yeah. Um, south Jersey kid born and raised. I thought for the majority of my life I wanted to, you know, go to school play sports. When I went to Averitt, I thought I wanted to go home and end up being the, you know, PE teacher at my high school that I went to Uhhuh and be the head football coach. Go back to my hometown and, you know, life has got, you know, crazy ways of how things actually pan out. And I was super fortunate, I think, you know, at Averitt where you end up meeting like your, like best of best of friends and, you know, paths and timing. Um, obviously with, with Heidi and. Her career that kind of ultimately, you know, took us away from Virginia, away from avert, away from coaching and into more of like, you know, the corporate America, which, you know, I never growing up, right? Like that was like the furthest thing that wasn't like my dad was like gray collar, blue collar, you know, growing up around Jersey. So, That was not like in, in the picture for me or I thought at the time that it wasn't. And you know, fortunately because of all, like the individuals that you meet, you know, you are, you know, afforded these type of opportunities. And I knew that when, you know, like obviously like with Troy Teman and kind of like how like my career got started and where I am today. Like, I knew that I had like an obligation to ensure that if I wanted to be able to give like my family, my kids, what I never had, you know what I mean, growing up mm-hmm. Um, that I couldn't, you know, take advantage of, you know, this type of opportunity. So I, I say that all to say like, I guess in a nutshell, man, like I just, um, I try to be super intentional with, you know, being a good father, being a good husband, being a good friend. Um, I think it obviously with just like, you know, work, um, a lot of the things that you learn and grow up with, and like I said, especially when you're playing like collegiate sports, like there's a level of expectation and I think from coaching, it even got like, Even more ingrained where, you know, you think about like the X's and O's and you know, you know, like when you're talking about like, you know, you run like a 12 yard out and like you don't run it at 10, you don't run it at 13. Like you run that John at 12 and if you don't like, you are going to get laid into. So that like level of expectation is always something that I think I have kind of like struggled with because I always try to like, you know, hold myself to that standard. Not everybody, right. Is, is ultimately gonna be there. So having to kind of just like deal and understand that hey, right, like, and by no means I'll never be perfect by any means whatsoever. Um, but, you know, I, I don't know if I'm answering your question real well. Yeah, I mean, you kind of are,

Jimmy: 12:45

you're, you're kind of giving a lot of, a lot of good shit though, um, because. I mean, we were on the same, we were on the same receivers receiving squad and yeah, I was probably one of my own biggest critics. If you've ever seen me drop a like a fucking football, like yeah, you know, the seven route at fucking Greensboro, I went ballistic. And those bleachers aren't far from the fucking sideline. Like, no, not at all. Fucking throwing shit and having a conniption. And then, you know, the coaches are coming down. It's like, dude, I can't fucking coach you when you're like this. Like you, yeah. You have to take it easy and you have to be coachable in that sense. And you know, back then that it was hard to back that guy down. But those, yeah, those same things though, because I mean, you're a high achiever. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'll cheer lead for you, you're a high achiever, but sometimes those things hold us back from the next level. And I, I think I figured that out back in May. I, I got some, I went to a retreat in Arizona. And the one thing that I was missing was self-love and just like congratulating myself for like success.

Roach: 13:54

Yeah. But no, I mean, I think to that, that point, right? It's. Yes. I think that, you know, obviously because of the upbringing, because of playing sports and because of playing football and because of getting into coaching, I've been able to take a lot of those same aspects into what I've done from like an overall like career perspective. And so like I appreciate that. I love that part of me, and I think as I've continued to grow, I've just been able to get an understanding that like not everybody is wired that way. Yeah. You know, there's that level of just like understanding. I think that that kind of comes with it. But yeah, I mean I think so much of just like where I am today comes on the heels of those supporters, like throughout my life of course. Like, you know, the family side of things, the friends and um, yeah. It's just, you know, it's interesting. I always get back, I kinda like pinch myself and just kind of go like, You know, it was just, I was driving with Heidi the other day. It was just her and I, we were going around our anniversary and I said anniversary. Like, you know, I thank you. Appreciate it, dog. I said, um, I never thought for a second that I'd be like, where I am, like if I look back at when I was younger, like where I am, my career wise and just like where we are, you know, located all those things. I never thought like that that was gonna be a growing up, but I knew that I was gonna have, like, you know, I knew I wanted to get married. I knew that I wanted be, have kids. I knew I wanted to be a good dad. I knew I wanted to kind of like, you know, replicate what I had as a child, right. For my kids, you know, from an overall just like family perspective. And, um, like I say, kind of like pinch yourself and go like, man, this, you know, It's been a great ride ride. It's still, it's still early, you know what I mean? Like we got mad time left and now with all this like, you know, cool like shine stuff and just like, you know, take care of yourself. Like shit, you can live to be a hundred something. You know?

Jimmy: 15:47

Dude, that was, I was listening to, I think it was Andrew Huberman I was listening to, or he was like saying we're living in an age, somebody that is either born right now or alive right now is going to live to 200 years old based off of the technology. I'm like, holy shit. Like, I wouldn't mind as, as long as the quality

Roach: 16:04

of life is there. You remit, man. Dude, his podcast is legit. And like he even talked about like to that specific point, like there's individuals that are out there that are like defiant odds every day. And literally like all they do every day is wake up and work and think on and test how they can continue to just like live forever, right? And it's just wild. You never thought, like growing up, like, and it's crazy too, you think about the kids. There are jobs that they'll have in the future. Or may not have jobs, other ways of income that right now like aren't even a thing. Like who would've thought when we were growing up that, now if I think about Deuce and Conley and the things that they watch from like a social perspective, that there's kids out there that literally make millions of dollars just on filling themselves, doing just random stuff, right? Like, we never thought about that. Like that wasn't

Jimmy: 17:00

a thing. Dude, you have guys in high school right now that are, that have their own business. College. Yeah. It's, it's crazy. Like the, the entrepreneur mindset is being ingrained in kids, and I, I love it.

Roach: 17:13

Yeah, I do too. I do too. I mean, especially watching your boys, dude, I mean, school that they go to and just like the development that they're getting. I mean, at that age, to be able to get up and present in front of, Class of people, parents of all ages. Right. Um, 30, 40, 50, 60, a hundred people. I've never thought about that growing up. Right. And you know, the fact that educationally now they're acclimating these kids to be able to put themselves in a position that later on in life, you know, think about how many people came out and, you know, had to get up and speak and present. Yeah. And just shell-shocked. Couldn't get it froze. And now this is, that's just normal to them. What's exposure?

Jimmy: 17:58

It's Right. Yeah. It's like just presenting those and that's, I think, I mean, you, you and I are like the same way. It's like that's why we have to be better as fathers to, you know, give them access to that. Yep. But yeah, yeah. No, it's true, man. I'll give, I'll give Mr a credit to Erica though. That ain't me.

Roach: 18:18

I was gonna say, I, I, I give, I give all of the praise to, uh, to Heidi and, um, I mean, the only thing, it's, I think it's funny too, like Heidi is, um, love her to death, but she could be clumsy. She'll always ub toe, like she'll always like walk into a brick like a wall or something, you know what I mean? Like, just like random stuff. And for as athletic as Des bro, he got that straight from his mother because like he'll just do some of the clumsiest shit sometimes I look at him, I'm like, dude, whatcha doing? You know, like he gets, he'd be like, I get it from my mama. Yeah,

Jimmy: 18:54

just make sure the kid is doing it at like a hundred miles an hour.'cause it looks like he flies. Yeah, because he's, he's not the biggest either, right? He's not, he's not bigger than like mostly the other kids.

Roach: 19:07

No, no, no, no. And so it's interesting because he's at that age right now, and you'll start to see it too, where. He is at the lower end of like his age. So he's got a lot of his boys that are already starting to like V up. Yeah. And already starting to mature and their voices are dropping and you look at him and like he takes his shirt off and he still kind of looks like a little boy Uhhuh. And then like you'll be standing next to his boys and they all like, you're starting to like, you know? Yeah. Like shoulders are getting big and they're just massive. And I'm like, you know, I'm just like, yo, the good thing is, is that you know, you'll be a little bit late to the game, but that's okay because skill wise, like footwork wise, hands, I mean, but people, people like see him at practice and they're like, dude, like you don't drop balls. And I'm like, you have to realize this kid is caught like a thousand plus balls like. Most of his life, you know what I mean? Like every year he's all we and have a catch. Mm-hmm. So I. It's not like, it's like, you know, anything crazy. Like he's just like repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition. So when he gets older and he does mature and he takes the, you know, the power and the things that are gonna come with the skill and technique, then it could be super interesting to see, you know, how things transpire and ain't gonna ever gonna be, he ain't ever gonna be tall. ITT matter, don't matter. But that's, that is the good thing.

Jimmy: 20:35

Well, to your point, that's like, it's almost like intentionality.'cause even if you do like, yeah, 10 minutes of throwing the ball extra each day. I mean, one, I mean that's what me and you did in the hallway is just like, just fucking around. Right? It was just like his old like throwing a ball. But to him it's like that's more practice. If you do that for four days, that's an hour of practice that nobody else gets and that's how Yeah, like a lot of people just level up. But I mean, it's also

Roach: 20:59

fun. It's wild too to think about now how many kids are, you know, in the league, are super successful that like when they were younger and growing up, like that wasn't even on the radar for them. Mm-hmm. You know, they just walked down the hallway, it's like a junior in high school and the coach is like, you are huge. You are playing football, like you need to come out and then all of a sudden, you know, that kid ends up playing a little bit as a senior and the college goes like, we can take this kid and make him, you know, a second round draft pick as a left tackle because he's got, you know, the framework and you know, the footwork and all the skill in the world we've got teach him, you know, and then these kids end up being, you know, the next like Michael Lore.

Jimmy: 21:42

I mean, it's just like about building the athlete first, because I mean, right now they're having fun. They're doing the foundation. Yeah, it's getting competitive, but you're building the athlete first. That's why you have people like Steph Curry who is like fucking phenomenal at basketball, but he's also a really good

Roach: 21:57

golfer. Yeah, that is true. What's that, dude? I mean, he's the kind of dude that could do everything. I mean, it's like mooky Betts, like dude's a crazy bowler. You know what I mean? Like they can do everything. He's kind like, what can't they do?

Jimmy: 22:13

Dude, talk to me about like,'cause we both had different transitions. Um, and I, I'm not gonna go into mine because everybody already fucking knows about that. But, um, your, your transition, um, from like athlete, like college athlete to husband to father, um, was it, was it pretty seamless? Did you have any difficulties there? Like, what was,

Roach: 22:37

what was going on there? I think the difficult part was like that, like high level of expectation and you know, having to find just like the common ground and like the level ability to be able to level set like that I think was like, you know, my biggest struggle and like, I'll be honest, like I probably still struggle with it at times when, you know, you've always been like, you know, ingrained in you all the time. Especially like, you know, you know, You walk on the field and if you are walking within the lines of the field and you ain't moving, right. Like that wasn't tolerated. Yeah. And so just like little things like that, that, um, so I'll say, man, that was, it was definitely not easy to again, like, you know, have like the level of expectation and just have to. Just needed to like be taken down a level and you know, you, it's not sustainable. I think that's probably like the best way to say it. Like, you know, that transition for me was tough. Um, because while at the same time, In order to career path, the way that I did there was that level of like expectation that I took, that I learned that was ingrained in me from an athletic perspective as a kid and from a career perspective. Like, that's been awesome, got me where I am today, right? But then like to have to come home and then just like, you know, like volume on a, on a radio, you know, just like, you know, times you gotta crank it up and then times you gotta just like, you know, crank it down and just like learn to be, you know, present. When it just comes to, you know, being with the family and like, you know, put the, put the phones down, like send the TV off and just, you know, sit and just talk and how the day was and what they're learning in school. And, um, and it's just so much wild that stuff that's going on too. It's just like you always like, you know, having to just like make sure that the kids are like, you know, in a, in a good spot, you know, mentally, you know, um mm-hmm. So yeah, it was definitely, it was definitely tough, man. It wasn't easy. Um, But I will never, I'll never, I'll, I'll tell people to the day I die. Like the times at Avert were the best times of my life. Athletically, socially, back half academically, I'll say it definitely, it definitely wasn't, it definitely wasn't the start. Um, uh, but yeah, like, you know, and I honestly, you know, those, you know, nine years from playing. Coaching, the social athletic, uh, just academic and the things that you learn just about yourself and interactions that you've had with people. Um, I would never change it for, for anything, you know, and if I could go back and do it, I would, and would I do a couple of things differently probably, you know, but

Jimmy: 25:31

that's, that's a, that's a wormhole to go down into, because. What if you changed one thing back then, like the butterfly effect, what if you changed something back then? Would you have the knowledge that you have right now about what not to do? Lord knows. I mean, I think we can both. I learned a lot, but you know, yeah, I've asked myself that a couple times. I was like, what if I'd never gotten that car right when I was, when I was driving drunk? Like, what if I didn't do that twice? What if I didn't do that again when I was fucking married? What if I didn't go to, um, you know, you know, the fucking third time and I was put away for a while. Like, I would probably still be making. Not a lot of money as a teacher. Right. Because it's, yeah. You don't put somebody through a very fucking hard time. They don't know how to get out of it. Yeah. So I think there's some resiliency there, but, um, yeah, we do. I don't know, man. I might change some things. I might be a little bit nicer to some people.

Roach: 26:29

Yeah. Yeah. I'll say that. Like, you know. Yeah. I don't know. I think, you know, I think we are who we are. We all came together, we all molded together.'cause we were all very like, like-minded, um, you know, had similarities. You know, I think about some of us with like so many similarities. I think how we became so close with others that we had nothing in common with outside of sport, right? Like, you know, where, you know, you have city slickers and then you have the country bumps. And so, you know, you bring them together and the only common thing that they have is, you know, little brown football. Right? And that's what made

Jimmy: 27:08

that little bit of, that little bit of trauma from, from the summer and waking up at four o'clock. I mean, that, that bonds though. Yeah. I

Roach: 27:16

mean's what? I mean like, yeah. I mean like, you know, for someone that like, you know, that was a thing too for me, like growing up as an only child, I never had that comradery of like a brother, a sister. And so when I got to Averitt and we got together, it was just like, man, I never want this to end. Like this is awesome. You know what I mean? I get to be with like my best friends 24 7, pretty to go practice together. Everything we do is 24 7. You're with these people. And so I think, um, you know, you asked about like, you know, would, I've done things differently. I, I always think like, you know, would I have done things a little differently? No. I, I would've, I wish I, I wish I had like a magic wand to where in certain scenarios mm-hmm. Right. You know, it's those, um, flashbacks. Uh, like where you just like, you know, you wish you could just like move like one little thing, you know what I mean? And if you move this like one little thing, then like, what if, and like, you know, that never happens. And then I. That never happens and people are still here. You know what I mean? Like that, those like little things like you said, like those events and like, you know, pulling a little string going like, yeah, no, and then all of a sudden it's a difference of someone being here and not like that. That would be cool to be able to go back and do, you know? Yeah.

Jimmy: 28:47

Well that just brought up a question for me. Um, what if we could live today like that? That way we wouldn't have to do that later on. What do you think that would look like?

Roach: 29:01

Well, I think that's kind of like what we have to do now. You know? Like everything has gotta be so calculated, right? Like every next step, every move, every response. It has to be calculated because now we're not just, shoot, dude, we were 21, 22. We are invincible. Right? And now as husbands and as parents, everything has to be so calculated because that's the last thing that you want is, you know, a. Take care of somebody else and, and ensure that that never, because you, you know, like it never, my biggest fear as like a parent is like seeing like my child, like upset about something that I couldn't control, you know? And that's, that's, that's tough because it's impossible. Like it's, it's not possible to be a parent and not have to. Be there when your kid is, you know, upset about, you know, something that, you know, transpired at school or something that transpired on the playground or something that transpired in the classroom. Like it's just impossible, right? But you know, everything else, when they're with you, everything else is so controllable and it's just like when they're not with you, it's just like, you know, there's things that just are outside of control. Who do you think holds you accountable first? Kids are dicks, man, let's be real. You know? Yeah. Like, like other kids. Yeah. Not our kids, but like there are just shitty kids out there, dude. So I mean that's, I think, you know, that level of accountability now. One, it's like biggest honors, you know, I think for us is to just like, you know, always just like show them the right things to do. And like, you know, you're always gonna like misstep and you, you do your best to very quickly, you know, get back on, you know, the right path and do things the right way. So it's, um, it's just now you've got like, you know, Responsibilities for others because

Jimmy: 31:14

I mean, you're, you're the leader. All eyes are on you, which is, you know, which is always what we wanted. We want the ball at the last, last play, and we want all the eyes on us. Yeah. But sometimes that accountability hurts. I mean, that's probably one of the largest reasons I stopped drinking, was like b my, my youngest one. He did not respect me when I drank. He hated me. And he was like, he wouldn't, he wouldn't get close to me. And it was tough to have a relationship. I was like, dog, I gotta cut this shit out. And then as soon as I did, it took him a while to, you know, get used to that habit. And then now, yeah. You know, he's my boy again. So it's like, fuck, you know, accountability. Accountability is cool sometimes until it's like what you don't wanna do, and it's usually the things that you don't want to do the most is the shit that you need to fucking stop.

Roach: 32:02

Yeah, no, for sure. It's just like, you know, I think sometimes it's funny, like from a career perspective, you know, you always find out like, what, like motivates individual and like their why, right? And it'd be funny because there'd be people that like, you know, they've got kids and I'd like, you know, what's, what's your why man? It's just like, you know, my kids. And then when you look at like, what they did like day in and day out, I'm like, man, you are doing your kid like a huge disservice. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, like it's just, it's just like, man. Um, if that, if you are out here like grinding for your kid, like. You, you can't, your kid ain't gonna go travel, ain't go to Disney World. Yeah. That be able to ain't do nothing. It's,

Jimmy: 32:46

it's kind of like a weird thing because I think some, some people have to know that it's okay not to have the kids or, or family as the number one value that you have to be real with that. Because if that were the case, yeah. You wouldn't be working 60, 70, 80 hours a week trying to make all this money, you'd just be at home with them. Right. So there's like a Right, there's a little bit of a balance. And I'm not, I'm not saying, you know, to be a deadbeat or anything, but, um, yeah, there's a balance. I mean, sometimes it's like the success and the freedom that's, that's the most important. So you could funnel that down to your kids. Yeah, for

Roach: 33:20

sure. But I. Oh man, I, I mean, I take a look and bro, like when it comes to like being like parents, like, you know, as much as, you know, I'd love to catch up and like talk with like all my friends more often. You know, the great thing with social media is that you see everything firsthand. You know what I mean? And if anything, you know, like I always feel like I look at what you've done. And I take a look at what I've done. I take a look at our close friends and I'm like, you know, like, we're pretty damn good. You know, like we provided a real good opportunity for these kids to be successful. And, you know, especially when you look at others, right? That like, you know, through addiction or through just missteps, um, things. Other than the children and the family took importance, right. Took precedence, and they weren't able to be as present and intentional with the family as, as we are. So like, you know, always an opportunity to, you said like that, like, you know, self love, right? Like, that's something where I think of, you know, a lot just like, you know, pinch myself, right? It's just like, man, we've, we've done a pretty good job, dude.

Jimmy: 34:41

Yeah, even, I mean, if we look back five or 10 years ago, because, I mean, you said this before, I can't believe I was, I'm at this position, but even if I was talk even as far as like, you know, four or five years ago, I'm thinking the same thing. Definitely 10 years ago. But like if, if I look back, you know, if I'm gonna look forward five years in the future, I'm gonna say the same thing. I mean, the goal is growth and kind of like you said, it's, it's about being intentional and having the goals to get there.'cause like if we went to college and there was no like end game, there's no diploma, it would just be a shit show. I mean, we wouldn't be doing anything. But I mean there was some sort of end goal like, hey, you get this piece of paper and you owe a bunch of money. But I mean, we worked for that.

Roach: 35:23

Yeah. I was gonna say to that point, like that end goal was something that kept us moving towards it. Think about those individuals that we grew up with, that we went to high school with, who decided not to go off to school and stayed local and you know, Ended up just, you know, back at the, you know, local bar, you know, at home working, you know, that gray collar, blue collar type of, you know, type of job. So, yeah, because yeah, without that like end goal, without goals in general, like there's just becomes this like lackluster bullshit.

Jimmy: 36:00

Exactly what is, um, what is your relationship with failure, I guess, back in college and then your relationship with failure now?

Roach: 36:13

Um, like, you know, I, I would say, I, I would say that like, um, I self internalization. And just like, um, awareness, right? I think about like going to Averitt and going to Averitt and be like, yeah, I'm just gonna like be a log snapper. And then I was just like, man, all this, you know what I mean? Like, I, you go out here and do this shit too, you know? So then it was just like, well get your shit together, do X, Y, and Z and boom, get out there and, and do your thing on Saturdays, right? Mm-hmm. And then I thought about it. Career. Career. It was just like, you know, sat back for the first two years and went like, man, I dunno if this is for me. I dunno if this is it, but then it's just like, no, if I do this, this, this, and this, like, I'll get there, done. You know what I mean? And like, it's a, it's sacrifice. I think it's the best way to say it, right? Like, you know, if you failed or if you feel that you have failed. Just like by not getting to where like you feel like you could be or where you see others, um, that's where I think like, it's just like the, the sacrifice has gotta, like, you'd like flip a switch. It's just like anybody that wants to like get in shape and wants to work workout, right? It's just like, yep. Like you either get to a point where you realize that like, you know, health wise, movement, mobility wise, whatever it may be. Like, you're not where you wanna be and like you get to a point, you're frustrated, you're fed up and you go like, You start doing those things and sacrificing those things. And I think that's the thing for us, like, I mean, coming from the athletic background, getting up at four in the morning is a shit ton of sacrifice. And getting up at four in the morning every fucking day is a sacrifice. And so when I realized that, like, okay, career wise, if I knew it was just gonna take extra hours in the day, then I've just gotta sacrifice sleep. And sacrifice a little bit of the social aspect of things and then it's just like shit done. You know, like easy, easy money, you know what I mean? Get up at 4:00 AM every day, be at the office at five 30, be there three hours before everybody else is gonna be there and get three hours of work done so that when you know they do get there at eight 30. Yeah, you get a chance to socialize and chill for a little bit and then boom, you shit done that are just. Just not doing shit. You know what I mean? Like, they just there at eight 30 and they spend 30 minutes socializing and then they go about their day. So they never get that other stuff done. You know what I mean? That like you need to, so boom. Well,

Jimmy: 38:50

I know, uh, we're rolling up on, on football time. We got a scrimmage coming up.

Roach: 38:54

You gotta rolling? Yeah, bro, we gotta do, we gotta do this again. I feel like I, I let you down bro. I don't know. I was, I was like, when you sent me that text message and you were like, eh, things you're gonna talk about, and I started kicking around. I'm like, okay. Like I can jive at that. Like, I feel like, but I also feel like there's some things too that this, this, I was like, man, when I filled out your form, I was just like, man, I was just like, you know, the floor is yours. And I was just like, this shit could get deep. Yeah. But, and it could get deep. And then like it, because we

Jimmy: 39:29

gl we glazed over, we glazed over a couple things where, I mean, we'd probably be here

Roach: 39:34

another hour. Yeah. I was gonna say, I didn't know where the next question was gonna come from, but um, yeah, I mean, this has been fun. And hey, if this is what it takes for us to be, for us to talk more, you know what I mean? Like, let's schedule this shit down that John, I'll FaceTime.

Jimmy: 39:53

Well dude, I'll let you go. How about this before you go, um, I think we're just gonna do part two. We'll just do that shit next week. But, um, before you go. Okay. What kind of advice do you think that you would give somebody that was in your shoes maybe 15 years ago? Uh,

Roach: 40:09

this is a good one. it's gotta be like the sacrifice. It's gotta be. It's gotta be thoughtful, make thoughtfulness and intentionality. Kind of go like one and the other. Right. In order to know where you want to get to. There's gotta be like a plan in place. You can't wing it. Right? I, I think that would be like the biggest thing that I would tell somebody. Like, you can't wing life and if you try to. Will beat you down in a hurry, right? So you've gotta be intentional, you've gotta have a plan, you've gotta sacrifice. I think, again, in order to just like, you know, people are where they are at because they've realized, okay, in order for me to get here, I gotta do X, Y, and Z in order for me to get to X, Y, and Z. Right? I've gotta do this now within like the current position and role that I'm right. It's gonna be hard. It's not gonna be easy. And if you are willing to sacrifice and if you're willing to just like, you know, pick up shit, right? Like always like say like, you know, if you're willing to like do like the dirty work, you will be in a position in the future where, um, you can look back and go like, man, that was crazy. I can't believe I would do some of those things. But, you know, it's almost like setting. I'm glad I did,

Jimmy: 41:30

like setting your ego aside for

Roach: 41:31

the bigger goal. Sometimes, you know, like, you know, setting, setting it aside, but also like focusing, I. I think about like ego, I think about like the, the swagger that kind of like, he, like he kind of ingrained itself in ego, right? So like you put a, you put aside like the selfishness, right? Which of like the ego, right? There's like that selfishness part of ego. And then you take like that swagger part of ego, which is ultimately like why we were successful like in sport and. Luckily with social and having good looking wives, you know what I mean? Like we definitely out kicked our coverage right from that perspective. So, you know, you, you put the ego aside, you keep that swagger and you take that as like motivation and you do those things and great things happen. Fucking

Jimmy: 42:26

love it. Dropping bombs. Yeah, dude. I love you, man.

Roach: 42:31

I love you too, brother. Let's do this again, man. This. Hell yeah, brother.