Matt Chinn is a "Ultra" Primal

This one's a pretty cool episode. Matt ChiNn,  of Primal Fitness stops by . I've known Matt for a while,two years now. I've talk to him weekly and it's pretty cool because now he's on the other side of the table. He is one of those guys where you could just. Lean on him for any type of direction, motivation, and he's a wealth of, of knowledge and a resource  I haven't had before.

Matt usually doesn't talk about himself, so it's pretty cool to get him on here. I'm excited about this one. Take a listen and let me know what you think.

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Transcript

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This one's a pretty cool episode. Matt Chin, of Primal Fitness Stops by I've known Matt for a while, probably two years now, and I talk to him weekly and it's pretty cool because now he's on the other side of the table. He is one of those guys where you could just. Lean on him for any type of direction, motivation, and he's a wealth of, of knowledge and a resource I haven't had before. matt usually doesn't talk about himself, so it's pretty cool to get him on here. I'm excited about this one. Take a listen and let me know what you think.

Jimmy: 0:39

what's up homie?

Matt Chinn: 0:41

Jimmy, how you

Jimmy: 0:41

doing? I like that the, uh, the tables are flipped right

Matt Chinn: 0:45

now. Oh, no. Yeah, it's like, uh, yeah, you're gonna be the one asking a few questions.

Jimmy: 0:53

How come you didn't weigh in today, man?

Matt Chinn: 0:58

No

Jimmy: 0:58

pressure. I know. This is a fun game. It's called Where in the world is Matt Chin

Matt Chinn: 1:05

right now? Uh, he's in India. In India. Yeah, it's, uh, it's a slight difference to, to the mountains and the park. So, uh, dealing with the hustling streets and, uh, the ever everlasting car horns.

Jimmy: 1:22

Dude, that's crazy. How, all right, so how long was that race that you just did, you just did Everest?

Matt Chinn: 1:29

Uh, yeah, so it was, it was a full marathon, but race actually started like 12 days before. Cause. Get to base camp before we even started. So yeah, it was, uh, it was quite challenging but fun.

Jimmy: 1:46

I mean, Everest. Yeah, it's gonna be challenging. Um, what was, what was the temperature? Cause you were wearing shorts, it looked like.

Matt Chinn: 1:56

Yeah, it was, it, it changed. So, uh, I dunno off the top of my head in Fahrenheit, but when we camp in the evening, it was like minus 10 and. Didn't clear up till probably about an hour into the race and yeah, probably went to about 15, 20 degrees, so was about 25, 30 degree difference from both

Jimmy: 2:19

ends of the spectrum. So it started off at 14 degrees Fahrenheit and then got the 50. Yeah,

Matt Chinn: 2:27

something like that. It was pretty chilly. Yeah. I don't like wearing clothes though. How

Jimmy: 2:34

did you, how did you find out about that race?

Matt Chinn: 2:37

Uh, it was actually my girlfriend. She found out about it, like she knew I was looking for one Uhhuh and yeah, she proposed the idea to me, so, yeah. And then, uh, I had to ask the boss if, uh, allow me to sort have free rings off. You got a pretty cool boss though. Yeah, he's, he's pretty

Jimmy: 2:56

good. Well, I, I mean, I told you, I told you before, I like if you, I mean you're my coach, but you know, I appreciate you doing those things like that because like you're living that life. So it's like you need time to do that. And I feel like, and you know, everything for me is already laid out. Um, and I'm on maintenance anyway. But dude, that, that had to be like one of the best experiences ever.

Matt Chinn: 3:22

Yeah, I mean I've, I've been lucky to race in like certain places around well, which has been absolutely beautiful, but nothing comes close to Aya. Like even for anyone who doesn't wanna go do the marathon, like the hike to base camp is just incredible. It's like every single day you see something new and yeah, just really sort of drowns you and centers you. I think I'm probably one of the people who generally take fair of time. To go off, go into the Marines and then try and run a race in that time. Um, and yeah, that is like, that, that's what kinda keeps me happy and sort of like gives me that reset that I need on time. Yeah,

Jimmy: 4:05

I mean, that's important. I was just listening to something like that today about like how to slow down, but even, even taking things like, you know, a 10 minute meditation in the middle of the day. I didn't know it could be that helpful. I mean that, that is on like a grander scale of, of getting fulfillment in what you need. Yeah,

Matt Chinn: 4:26

absolutely. And like for everyone, like we've all got our own sort of like resets now. Some people's meditation, some people it could just be being out on, um, going. I think it's important that everybody knows what it is that actually gets them reset or gives them that sort of vibrancy to, to really push themselves forward in life as well. But it's actually knowing which is sometimes a difficult bit.

Jimmy: 4:58

Yeah. So Matt, you are the lead coach of Primal Fitness. Like, uh, second. Well, all right. So like, so under, under Matt. Yeah. Fair enough. Um, well, you're the lead coach to me. No. Alright. So can you like, I feel like you're fairly quiet about, um, I mean, you're, you're very humble, so you don't really talk about yourself that much. How did you one, get started into fitness and how did you kind of like rise up to where you are right now? Cause I feel like you are. I. Like a mad scientist when it comes to like building programs and building the proper nutrition and, you know, if something like a challenge stumps you, like you go to fucking work, you almost get like neurotic and you're like, this has to work. But like how, how did you get started? Started,

Matt Chinn: 6:00

started years and years ago. Um, I think it was about 14. And I did something for the three P Challenge, which was the highest mountains in England, Scotland, Wales, within 24 hours. And that was kinda like the, the thing that got me started with it. So I, I was always like an athletic kid, like playing football and soccer. Um, a lot. I loved doing all that. But then today, like it was just something was lacking. So I think it was the challenge. And I did that and we went up as a team and we actually got the gold medal time, which you had to do within certain time periods. And that was probably one of the things that started it. And then beyond that, I didn't really do too much and then I joined the military and then it's very competitive. It's like the, there is a massive sort of alpha presence there. And obviously by the background he was just quietly doing his own thing. And I chose a unit which was very far from home, uh, in Scotland. So I had the opportunity to do mount rescue. So primarily it was, um, an organization that's all about taking life, but same like to protect nation and whatnot, but at the same time to try and preserve life. And mountain rescue was getting fit everything that I wanted to do. So like helping people if got stuck. Kept me fit, kept me, kept me motivated to, to keep driving and be a bad person every day. Really.

Jimmy: 7:35

How long were you in the military?

Matt Chinn: 7:37

Uh, 12 years. 12 years. So, yeah. Yeah. I gotta a point where they kept sending me up to what Sunday places, park, Sunday places, Uhhuh, and yeah, I wanted actually off. Yeah, that's right. Let me turn it to where I'm at right now. Is

Jimmy: 8:02

that, is that where you met Matt Roberts?

Matt Chinn: 8:05

Uh, no, I didn't meet him in the military. Ok. Um, so I, I was already traveling at that point and so quit the military and he posted something very specific. I went in like military, uh, personal trainers. So before I left military, I got qualified and. Throughout, like the pandemic and stuff I was using, using that, uh, to, to basically fund me or need to keep me out there for a little bit longer. And then I had absolutely no idea how my life was gonna, and like the year to forever plan was still in forever stage. So had a goal fraud set off and it was like, yeah, Trump for a year until my money ran out or make it forever. So, Yeah, I'm still living out that, that dream right now.

Jimmy: 8:59

A little prolonged because like when, when I first met you, this was what, 2000 was? Was it 2021, I think? Um, you were in, yeah, I think you were in Peru, or maybe it was Costa Rica. Uh, you were probably both, but I was like, man, I was like, all right, so he is probably gonna go back to the UK at some point. You were, I think. In the two years that I've known you, you've been there for like, what, three weeks? Yeah, exactly.

Matt Chinn: 9:28

Three weeks. Uh, I'll go back sort of next, next week though, so, yeah. So that's

Jimmy: 9:35

cool. So wait, all right. So you met, you met Matt, right? So what is your, what is your education like at this point as far as, you know, the, the nutritional and even, even getting into primal. Like, what is it like that and how did, how did you grow it?

Matt Chinn: 9:55

So it's like, yeah, I mean, within the fitness industry, you, you're required to sort of like pass an assessment and you know, they teach you the basics and from there it's all comes down to, to learning it along the way. So kinda like any job that you start off with, You'll tend to find, you get taught the textbook way and then you also find the ways through self-education or or through other people put you through the courses, um, developments you can actually like, evolve into, hopefully inspires people and teach them they've learned. Mm-hmm. That sort of answers your question,

Jimmy: 10:39

so Yeah, kind. Yeah, it does.

Matt Chinn: 10:41

Didn't really have that much. Background to the fitness. Yeah, I'd been in the military, so I learned how not to train and eat based injuries and overtraining and things like that. So, but then, I've along the way is, is directly from, um, so yeah, he basically took me under his wing. He's got bloody big wind. But yeah, he took me under, um, and educated me. And then I did a lot of research and past and yeah. So basically it's just like continued education is, yeah. I mean, the industry's always changing. Yeah. It's, it's something about to try and keep, keep on top of as much as we can.

Jimmy: 11:28

So as you, as you grow, like, you know, you have, you have a shit ton of clients now. Like what do you think would be the single most important principle of, of whatever you're teaching that you would pass on? No, you could

Matt Chinn: 11:50

pass cause it like me. If I reach a certain capacity, that means that I'll be under delivering. Mm-hmm. Which means that my standards will drop and I don't want be that person who, whose standards drop. Cause I'm here to get everybody best results that they can, but also sort of like guide them to, to their goals. Uh, basically hitting those. So yeah, if that drops, then. Again, they're not gonna get results. Mm-hmm. And yeah, it's not really, it's not What about, so I know what capacity is, so don't worry about that. Delivering as best I can.

Jimmy: 12:37

Yeah, that's, I mean, I, I, I, I agree with you. What do you think, what do you, where do you find success in, in your role right now? Like, how do you get like your dopamine hits.

Matt Chinn: 12:54

That's a great question. Honestly, when people are thriving, like when I see people's confidence improve, cause yeah, work sort within health and fitness, but lifestyle as well. So someone who doesn't have confidence in their abilities. And then watching them grow, put themselves into more challenging situations as well as sort of hitting, hitting fitness dogs and, and various sort of things. That's one of my biggest, um, sort of dopamine hits in that sense. Cause like, it, it shows that product works in that sense. Like people are actually thriving and they're inspiring other people. So look at that, you know, get paid for this. But for me personally don't mean it is. Yeah. Just getting out in nature and sort of like getting on the mountains, like Yeah. Have a little special, all volcanoes, um, volcanoes as well. I've got a real special relationship with those and yeah, generals, the place that always, I'm.

Jimmy: 14:15

I think, um, I mean the correlation between like the confidence and eating right and sleeping right is, I mean, there's no coincidences. Like when you do all these things, like your confidence is going to go up. How do you think that like the mindset plays into all of this? Even starting with like beliefs, right? Because I'll tell you straight up, my belief when I first started, I was skeptical is, I mean, I've never seen my abs before and, you know, I've been, I played college football. I, I, you know, trained for a while. I was like, that's just not my body type. So based on that belief and the results I was getting, like I was doing things to help change my belief. So beliefs and mindsets are, are pretty, are pretty, you know, hand in hand. How do you think those play out with what you're doing? Yeah, I mean

Matt Chinn: 15:16

it's like at some point people, and it usually dates back by consider amount of time, whether it childhood, you know, hang around who have always sort of like put them down. All comes about self-talk. Like you can either sort of have a negative self-talk and like you can look at it like, um, your glass is half full, but it's full of shit. And that's sort of like one of those like in between. So yeah, you've got like the negative side of things, but you've also got like positive. So that's however you speak to yourself generally. I find that most people who struggle throughout. Not in kind to themselves. And then that puts them on the trajectory of like limiting beliefs. And, and it escalates from there like myself, like the coaches within, within environment, like we've all had our journeys and I think that's kind of one of the things where we can allow ourselves to be vulnerable and relate, which then yeah, it's, it's powerful cause. We've, we've been coaching that people see us as like superheroes sometimes. Mm-hmm. And we're not like, we're just people who have found a strategy that works for us so we can sort of move forward. And again, it's not always perfect. We, we know like the action steps, we need to, to sort of like recenter ourselves and, and keep driving forward. And that's what we try to communicate as well. It's okay to have bad days, bad weeks. Mm-hmm. But yeah, it's just pushing past it. So self-limiting beliefs is one of the, um, probably one of the biggest things that holds people's progress. Absolutely.

Jimmy: 17:15

No, man, because that, you know, what that brought up for me is I think one of the most important things and pieces of advice I've ever heard in my life. Was the thing that got you to where you're at will be the same thing that holds you back. And at the time I'm like, what the fuck does that even mean? Right? So if I grind and hustle, I am going to get what I want. But, you know, and we could spread this, I mean that, that was kind of like on a professional level, but that was true for me on a physical level too, because yeah, if I grind and I. And I work my ass off young. I'm probably going to be a little bit better than, than most, and I'll rise up a little bit. But it also, it also came to injury and to your point with the way that people talk, there is a part of me that that kind of, you know, shut out the, the almost the lovable and worthiness side and said, Fuck that. To get to your goal, you don't need anybody else. Put your nose down. You're tough, you're resilient. You know, heck with feelings, right? Just get what you need. And those habits, it was kind of like that cup that's half full of shit, right? It was. It was a cup, but it was like full of bad and almost negative things. Um, I went to a retreat a couple weeks ago and, um, you know, just being authentic and vulnerable and, and just sharing experiences. At the end of the retreat, um, everybody wrote like a little note on a little sticky pad, and they wrote a note, you know, something helpful and something that they saw on you. And they were all nice and they were, you know, all, you know, things that were like, Hey, you're, you know, you're, you're joyous, you're funny, you're this and that. Like, there, there was a shit ton of compliments. And those were the compliments that I wasn't giving myself. Like I, none of them surprised me. Right. They were like, oh, I've never known that about myself. Right. I knew every single one of them, but I just, I just forgot to keep on telling myself those things. So it just, it just helps with the mindset and it helps it be way more clear that, you know, the self-talk is very, very important because that absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it, it steamrolls everything that helps you get up.

Matt Chinn: 19:37

I mean, like, generally people are their own worst critic, so you have better position in gym, like, okay, yeah. High standards, that's it. Inge in, in load of sweets and cakes and just. Hit the next one. And it all comes down to consistency. But yeah, going back to the self talk is, is massive and people like with with glass half full, sometimes people's glasses are way too big, so they just fill it up with loads of things that are relevant and important. Comes down to our goal setting and taking action on those, and it doesn't have to be. Something big, like I like to break things down into micro goals, and the micro goal is something complete three, four or five times 10 times a day. Like get outta bed, make bed. Like before you know it, you've accumulated many, many sort of like small little micro goals or tasks, uhhuh, and you get that sense of purpose, but you've also got that like your, your own standards as well. So yeah, break things down so you can build off on habit consistency. Then once you start to really sort of dial it in, you, you can build up that untoppable course and it's like yourself. You've consistently off things every day. Not, but like you have habit. Well, that's. Because it takes time to build habits and negatives. Like the more do something, the easier it gets. Yeah. Then yeah, you build that momentum and that's pretty much, it's so, yeah.

Jimmy: 21:41

So you're like, that's true. Like, so like the habits, like if your habit is, you know, you're checking off and. You know, calling it a wind, like, Hey, I, I make my bed every morning. You know, at first it's a habit, but all of a sudden, you know, after a couple months of doing it, that is not the habit that you do. That is who you are. So you're not, you're, you are not the habit. So you're just the guy that makes the bed, so then it happens, is what you're saying. So, yeah.

Matt Chinn: 22:10

18 identity. Mm-hmm. It's. That's why even if you have like, um, kinda like very, so you get your standard, like whether it be morning routine for example, and then, you know, the most bulletproof one could be like two hours, but realistically over time that might change considering like the circumstances. So that's when you create like minimum standard. So even like off. You know, to take the dog to the vet, whatever it may be, like you still got that standard and then you can maintain it. And then you can build on it with things like even now, cause large is never gonna be like from point to point B. We're never gonna get there in a straight line. Right? It's gonna be comparison. Like you're gonna be up and down and it's just like, then you gonna get sides swipe and someone's drop an elbow on you standing there like fatality finish issue. But at that moment is where you sort of like go, well, okay, let's lower it down. Still those key objectives so I can then keep moving forward. Cause ultimately, yeah, as soon as we stop still, we look around, we start to look the other way, and then before we know it, habits become excuses or good habits, uh, that we had. We start to make excuses and then yeah, just, just snowballs. Snowball.

Jimmy: 23:41

Yeah. What do you think? Alright, so I'm sure you. You had a lot of experience with like people from like the United States and like, like the way that like most doctors here view like nutrition. What do you think is like the most challenging maybe concept you have to overcome when talking with, with people that aren't primal aligned and they have like a different point of view? I

Matt Chinn: 24:11

just. Yeah, it's, I mean, it is what it is. Like I'm not gonna sit there and preach to people on how they should eat or things like, if they want like to, to understand what things do for their body. Mm-hmm. Then I sort of guide them through. But ultimately people need to want to change, um, whether it be that nutrition or the lifestyle even. Yeah. Just, just the smaller things. It's like that old saying, you can't need, well, you can need a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it. Mm-hmm. That pretty much comes down cause the amount of people are like, wanna change this? We can change this. We change this. But they're actually doing too much too soon. So it's like, right. What is the biggest thing that needs to change right now? So whether it be nutrition, whether it's working, sleep patterns, consistency and training, whatever it biggest pillar. The thing that we need to focus and dial in first. Cause once one thing starts to work everything else into harmony, things start going out. Yeah, sleep goes out. Generally probably wake up a little bit more hungry in the you into baby or something like that. Maybe a triple cheeseburger or whatever before youg. I've met many people along the way who say, right, I need to do X, Y, and Z, or tell me, you know, X, Y, and Z and yeah. Ultimately it's, it's down on them to, to make those first initial changes. I can't be someone's influence them. Mm-hmm. It's got themselves and we tend to find those are the most successful people reaching out.

Jimmy: 26:11

Yeah. Have you, have you got any, if you tell somebody like your ideal, like meal plan, have you ever gotten any criticism on like, they're telling you how you should eat? Yeah. Like, this is, this is why you should get, like, this is like, your carbs are way too low and your fat's way too high. You're gonna die. Yeah. I mean,

Matt Chinn: 26:34

What I'd probably suggest to them is just try like a week and see, you know, or I might ask sort, like symptom question. So generally when I was eating lots, like Everest was a prime example. Mm-hmm. Ridiculous. And couldn't get away with it cause so, so I had to put up with it, um, low pressure and carbohydrate dense foods. We create our own orchestra in, in like the 10 spacer. They'll show, um, one of the guys. Yeah, we like giving us a sign. We were just fired constantly. And it was, it was regular. Wasn't, probably not everybody wants to hear this, but like if we, if we look at it from a logical point of view, like generally. If your body's in sim, like in harmony mm-hmm. Then probably won't get things like heartburn and yeah, excess gas and all that kinda stuff. But as soon as you do gotta ask question like yourself questions, like why is this? Mm-hmm. And then from there you can start to, to look at the answers. So generally I'll, I'll try and ask people, those sort of symptoms go, okay, maybe it's cause of X, Y, and z. I don't wanna play doctors then as well at the same time. Yeah. So it's, yeah, I mean, you're always gonna get met with resistance, doesn't matter, um, who it's, and whatnot. So,

Jimmy: 28:09

so it sounds like you, I mean, you're not really even convincing anybody of anything. You're just kind of opening up an option of saying, Hey, this might be a path and this might be. A solution, you know? And you just said something. Trying to think of it. I haven't had heartburn in a fucking while.

Matt Chinn: 28:27

I used to get, but I knew that it was due to the foods I was eating. But at that point, was that, what's that? Sorry. I

Jimmy: 28:35

thought, I always thought it was, to be honest, and I didn't know back then, but I thought it was just like high fat that causes heartburn.

Matt Chinn: 28:43

No, I mean, it's like anything. It's a symptom. So Uhhuh. We have to trace it to, to what's causing that and generally things that are harder to absorb problems within our bodies body has process, extract nutrient from. And then yeah, there's certain foods and then if don't get into too much search, but like gut microbiome for example. Uhhuh, if that's not. In harmony then yeah, we're gonna start to have a lot problems so that, that spans on like health problems as well. But yeah, it's, it's one of those, going back to it, if I told you to go do something, maybe not do it, but if I generally, you. To it cause don't have that understanding. So if someone tell me to go and do 20 star and then do a back flip without a reason, then I'm gonna just look at they, they're a little bit weird. Uh, so yeah, the best analogy. But yeah, if someone says, go run into the like, nah, unless you're gonna tell. I know, right?

Jimmy: 30:10

Get

Matt Chinn: 30:11

food, something. Yeah. That, yeah. Yeah. So it just comes down to the fact that people are not aware, and this comes down to, you know, the way that we're brought up with the conventional food place and all, that's a massive problem. And yeah. Here, here we try to sort like just explain the reasons behind it. Yeah.

Jimmy: 30:38

So either in running, running a marathon, or running a race or in your professional career or just in life in general. So this is a very general question. What do you think was your biggest setback or challenge? And then how did you overcome it? These, they're thought provoking questions, aren't they? I'm not the ball of muscle,

Matt Chinn: 31:12

that's the hurdles. But I'll probably, this, this goes back some time. Um, I'd say there's two main ones that stand out for me and I have to take ownership while them in a way. So like when, when my parents, uh, my parents split up when I was like 13 or something. And what then happened after that, I allowed myself to play victim to my environment. So kind of like 30, you start to know what's right and wrong. Yeah. And I decided to allow what my mom did to affect me and. So yeah, I explored the option of like drugs and things like that, uhhuh, and nothing too crazy. I was sort of like still relatively sensible at that point and managed to get myself outta it, but manage to sort of take five off school, um, and was really flunk and everything and this sort of stretched the last 14. But then from there, it. I had negative associations with, with it, so I was actually a bit of an asshole to, to move for, for quite a long time after. Oh yeah. Just cause like someone who I believed and a mindset and it, it took me many years to go over this and obviously sat down barbecue. I think one of the most times was with some friends and like discussing family and things like that. And I was just like, yeah, it's normal, like when your parents don't come home or your mom doesn't come home for like two weeks. And then they were like, no. So that was a point where I actually then realized something wasn't quite right. It wasn't my fault, but it was something I needed to take action on. Mm-hmm. So, and, you know, hold every other woman responsible in. And yeah, that was down on me. So yeah, it took, took a long time to get over it. And then eventually through work I managed to break free of that and treat, treat women as they like. Yeah, it just way, um, at, at that point. So yeah, it probably affect me for years and then, Led to a breakdown in many relationships. Cause I didn't trust women. So that was probably one of the biggest ones. And then also, um, like when I was, what was it? Yeah, so like covid, that, that was quite rough sort of period. Um, yeah. Basically like everything just came together once I was. Language, um, and allowed myself to come like, like negative minded. Mm-hmm. And what stem from there was falling down path people added to that. Right. Found out my friends was found dead in river. Yeah. What happened with that? That then catapulted me even more, and then I end up in this massive down spiral. And then I was hanging around one crowd. I knew deep down that it wasn't what I needed. Mm-hmm. But at the same time, I was too afraid to almost reach up and get out. And then we got hit by two hurricanes in the space for like two weeks. So it was pretty bad. Like everything just came together. That was like the catalyst for change, cuz all I saw was random active kindness from across my apartment and some, some woman's basically collecting and clothes, everything like money, food, making up packages, and then sending it out to all the um, like all the local villages and things. Mm-hmm. That one thing just changed everything. I was at a really bad point and I was doing things which, you know, I hadn't done what I didn't wanna do, but it was the easy option. Yeah. That was the thing that scared me was the fact it was an easy option and I was taking it. So yeah, I changed and then from now I sort of like just a whole person out nowhere, just like driven and I. Run up and down beach 1676 kilometers to, to raise money because I was in a it, a lot of people hadn't heard of and I was always good at my body. But what came from that was, yeah, I managed to set up and organize fundraiser, getting money. Off the back of it, go out, buy all the stuff, package it, and then I physically went out. So I saw this, I've always done like a little bit charity work here and there. Saw this from start to finish and that was probably the most reward experience my life. And then we bought these kids pinatas in local village, visited suite. And then like just seeing the village come together, something that I've always remembered the rest my life. And uh, yeah, it empowering. And then from there it just kept going and going and really sort of like drove me forward. And then like primal sort of came about like at a time where you needed that, that catalyst, that that thing that was just gonna, you know, give me that purpose. Like helping people is kind of what I feel is, is one of my purposes. And so, yeah, it's horrible story, but I needed it. It's

Jimmy: 37:30

kind of weird how that comes around. Like when you, when you need it the most, it's, and then you end up being exactly where you need to be. Yeah.

Matt Chinn: 37:41

Crazy. It's crazy. So yeah, it was like the dark. I would probably say that was the darkest moment in my life. I learned so much from that.

Jimmy: 37:52

That's where all the learning is done, man, when you're in the dungeon.

Matt Chinn: 37:59

But I think it's important. We have challenges in life, like even the way that reframe it. So yeah, I would say, you know, it's a challenge but it's no different to to anything that we do. Like if you set yourself a target, whether it be raise or it's no different, yeah, there's probably a little bit emotion concern behind it. But it's just breaking it down, right? What is the problem here? Ok, let's change it to a challenge and let's find a way to get over. So it's just the way that we like reframe it, like mentally and Yeah, that I've got, I've.

Jimmy: 38:54

I think that's the definition of resiliency right there is taking something that is challenging and debilitating and learning from it and turning it into something positive. Yeah.

Matt Chinn: 39:08

And then go from there. I mean it's, it's quite easy to play victim's spiral in circum circumstances, and that's what I was doing and I could have continued down that path like it was needed path. But it's when you know that that's not true. Mm-hmm. That's when you realize that you're powerful. If you say that first step and you're like, right, I know it's gonna be, but I think that's what, what defines us? Why we going line.

Jimmy: 39:47

Dude. That's awesome, dude. Thanks for, and sh Yeah, thanks for sharing that with me, man. No worries. That was pretty cool. So what's, what's coming up next for you? So what's the next, what's the next race?

Matt Chinn: 40:00

So as it stands on Books a Marathon in, um, Florence. It was the girlfriends first one supporter. Um, and yeah, so we, we'll see how that turns out. Not really used to doing sort of stuff.

Jimmy: 40:25

Yeah, gonna be weird climbing up Vesuvius or something.

Matt Chinn: 40:30

Yeah, I definitely want something that's gonna really raise or challenge me, or I generally like races that. Different. So

Jimmy: 40:44

have you heard of Dragon back as in the uk?

Matt Chinn: 40:48

Yeah, I met some Canadians on that, that trip and they invited me out there to do death race, uh, which is kind of exciting.

Jimmy: 41:00

I saw that look in your eye. I'm like, oh shit.

Matt Chinn: 41:05

I wouldn't need three weeks off.

Jimmy: 41:10

Maybe mean just to complete that, but, um, awesome, man. Well, that's all I got. I, I really appreciate you coming on, Matt. I, I have a lot of respect for you, and I just love everything that you do. I mean, not just for me, but just, just for, for everybody, um, I think your, your intelligence is underestimated. Um, And how you, how you do things. And it's credit to, it's a credit to know your boss and this whole, this whole arena that we're in. So, yeah, I

Matt Chinn: 41:44

mean, I can't take full like credit for it as well. Cause I mean, Matt,

Jimmy: 41:47

but you're humble as fuck. I know you're not going to,

Matt Chinn: 41:52

but yeah, I mean, if Matt hadn't taken that chance would be then Yeah, it would, it would probably be a different story right now. Probably wouldn't. Great abs. Yeah. And also like working with the other coaches within the team as well. Cause Yeah, they're, and you know, like what's, he's brought whole community together and probably his, but yeah. Credit where. Like he gives the chance, which now has given me the chance to, to help many other people sort of share my experiences live and hopefully gain their trust as well. Showing that, you know, we can be vulnerable. But yeah, like thanks to thanks to him. Yeah. But. That is true,

Jimmy: 42:50

true. Shocked. When he hear, I'm sure he is. I ain't entered into shit off of that. Um, no, but yeah, that is true. And I'll, you know, I'll give that to him. But you also put yourself in position to have him accept you. So, I mean, it's 50 50, but I mean, just thank you and, and you're the man. Thank

Matt Chinn: 43:18

brother today, Jimmy.

Jimmy: 43:20

Amen. Oh, see how get the next couple of weeks, we'll see. I think I have weigh in. I'll do that one on time

Matt Chinn: 43:32

after.

43:35

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